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Marty
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PostPosted: Apr 22, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

As many of you have heard, on Monday, April 16, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people at Virginia Tech at Blacksburg, Virginia. It was recorded the worst gun shooting in America. Just about two days later there have been debates about gun laws.

Now, here's my question to you. Do we need tighter gun laws in the USA, or has it just been a over reaction? What are you views for what has happen? Any thoughts of preventing it for the future?

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PostPosted: Apr 22, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

Nice question. wow, well...hmm. i really don't think that there should be tighter laws pertaining to guns. i mean, maybe if you want to secure them a little more, you should only be allowed to carry one clip at a time. Spare bullets must be left unloaded while you are carrying them around. this would (in situations such as this one) allow the victims a chance to tackle or disarm the assialant before he would be able to fire off more rounds.

another one that is pretty much common sense, no more than two guns per person.

anyway, the guy who killed all these people was a psychopath. when it comes to that, this new rule should also be common sense. You are not allowed to possess a firearm if you have either a criminal record, or a unstable mind Razz.

how you enforce these, i have no idea.

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PostPosted: Apr 22, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

Greasy Grandma wrote:
i mean, maybe if you want to secure them a little more, you should only be allowed to carry one clip at a time. Spare bullets must be left unloaded while you are carrying them around. this would (in situations such as this one) allow the victims a chance to tackle or disarm the assialant before he would be able to fire off more rounds.


Um, that's flawed logic. First of all, most hands guns and shot guns only have one clip before reloading. [These are the only guns we buy for protection and hunting along with a few rifles that don't have more than seven bullets at a time.] Secondly, if they did have more space in the gun the person wouldn't plan on keeping a spare clip in his pocket.


Greasy Grandma wrote:
another one that is pretty much common sense, no more than two guns per person.

Why? Are three hand pistols going to make a difference than just two? People who hunt have fifty rifles and they've never killed any humans.


Greasy Grandma wrote:
anyway, the guy who killed all these people was a psychopath. when it comes to that, this new rule should also be common sense. You are not allowed to possess a firearm if you have either a criminal record, or a unstable mind Razz.

Well, that is common sense, but we already don't allow people without a gun primit or people who have a bad criminal history to purchase a gun, but what makes you think that will stop them? Most people who want to kill will do whatever it takes--that means steal it. Or get it off the local Wal-Mart, or gun show like he did.

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PostPosted: Apr 23, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you got me. I really don't know that much about this kind of stuff. i was just throwing out some opinions.


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PostPosted: Apr 24, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greasy Grandma wrote:
Well you got me. I really don't know that much about this kind of stuff. i was just throwing out some opinions.


Heh. Yeah, I could see that. But you know, others are better in some other subjects.

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PostPosted: Apr 28, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tighter gun laws i live in canada but still what that guy did was messed up and now he is on the media thats what he wanted now were giving it to him do u gyes really think it is right to talk about this right now...he did this for attention now were giving it to him in my opinoin were doing wrong by talking about it

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PostPosted: Apr 29, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you saying that we should forget about it? Are you saying that we should just not discuss it and let it be?

You know, its only the worst school massacre in U.S history. its no big deal right!? just let it slide...

In my opinion, thats the wrong idea on how to "treat" this scenario.


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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

listen here dude he did this for attention...and now he is getting it ??

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PostPosted: Apr 30, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So pretty much, your saying that this was just a scam for attention and a media fling. The 30+ people who were massacred by a insane maniac just were part of the plan.
I don't even think I can respect that point of view because it is so utterly sick and wrong.

and btw, HE IS DEAD! He isn't going to get satisfaction from the attention the matter is drawing. Dont worry about that!


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PostPosted: May 8, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-{XIII}-Baaron wrote:
Tighter gun laws i live in canada but still what that guy did was messed up and now he is on the media thats what he wanted now were giving it to him do u gyes really think it is right to talk about this right now...he did this for attention now were giving it to him in my opinoin were doing wrong by talking about it


How about using some periods and commas, please?

Talking about something isn't 'wrong'. It's being silent that does the most damage. He did wante attention, but what's your point?

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and btw, HE IS DEAD! He isn't going to get satisfaction from the attention the matter is drawing. Dont worry about that!


But he knew he was going to commit suicide. So, the pleasure of killing those people with him knowing that it was going to be on the news for some time is enough for him to kill himself and knowing he was going to be happy.

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PostPosted: May 8, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

I don't think there's anything we can do to prevent maniacs like him from doing things like that. In a way, we can't "punish" other people by not allowing them to purchase guns that may be used for recreation or self-protection; on the other hand, no one can know what a person will really do once that gun is in their posession. The only solution would be to totally and completely illegalize domestic and private firearm possession, but to me, that would be unfair to the millions of americans that have a gun in their home to protect their loved ones. Not only that, but then people will find other ways to obain them by smuggling or getting them from a black market. If they were made illegal, I believe that eventually something similar to the prohibition era would happen in that "underground" locales and secret societies and factories would start churning out illegal firearms and illegally distributing them.


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PostPosted: May 9, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

I hated to see that he used a glock. One of the first things I thought after my initial "OMG, I can't believe it, this is so horrible" reaction was, "Aww hell, now the 'video game violence' people are gonna start trying to blame CS for all the psychotic people in the world."

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PostPosted: May 10, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never thought of that. Although, unless he has a record of playing cs:s to the extremes, i doubt that is a factor in this problem.


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PostPosted: May 11, 2007 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: The Virginia Tech Massacre Reply with quote

swiss_pimpin wrote:
I don't think there's anything we can do to prevent maniacs like him from doing things like that. In a way, we can't "punish" other people by not allowing them to purchase guns that may be used for recreation or self-protection; on the other hand, no one can know what a person will really do once that gun is in their posession. The only solution would be to totally and completely illegalize domestic and private firearm possession, but to me, that would be unfair to the millions of americans that have a gun in their home to protect their loved ones. Not only that, but then people will find other ways to obain them by smuggling or getting them from a black market.


That's a good point. But you really think there's nothing you can do? What I was suggesting is maybe we would stop certain fire arms from being carried into urban areas. You'd be suprised what you can find in your local armory, or even a gun show. Weapons like those shouldn't be able to be purchased or even kept close.

swiss_pimpin wrote:
If they were made illegal, I believe that eventually something similar to the prohibition era would happen in that "underground" locales and secret societies and factories would start churning out illegal firearms and illegally distributing them.


In America? That's way too far-fetched! I would think smuggling guns out of other countries would be possible, but I don't know anyone would make "secret societies" or factories here just to get guns, but I couldn't see firearms getting entirely eradicated either.

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PostPosted: May 12, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, alcohal isn't like firearms. You can produce alcohal at home, you can't buy a gun kit and put together your own glock. A prohibition era would be extremely unlikely.


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